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From: faq@allpar.com (Dr. David Zatz)

Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.chrysler

Subject: rec.autos.makers.chrysler FAQ, Part 3/6

Summary: Repairs and Troubleshooting

Date: 04 May 2004 12:58:56 GMT

 

Archive-name: autos/chrysler-faq/general/part3

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See the very last part of this section for reading ESA computer codes

without a scan tool! Useful for those without the key-turn-watch-light

feature (e.g. 1985 Caravans) -- and those with it!

 

Note that engine codes have been updated since this list was created. See

http://www.allpar.com/fix/codes.html for an updated list.

 

Contents:

          1. Engine Codes

          2. [Outdated and removed]

          3. Classic Car Troubleshooting

          4. Reading codes without a scan tool

              (computer controlled, carbureted engines)

          5. Crankcase inlet air filter, 2.2/2.5 engines.

 

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FAQ for rec.autos.makers.Chrysler  -  Part III

 

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COMPUTER CODES

 

THESE ONLY WORK IF YOU HAVE FUEL INJECTION. Otherwise, see the web site or

the "troubleshooting electronic feedback carburetors" section.

 

Start with the ignition off. Within five seconds, switch the key on, off,

on, off, on. (On is *not* start!)

 

The "check engine" light will flash. Count the flashes Each code is a two

digit code, so a (for example) 23 would be FLASH FLASH <pause> FLASH FLASH

FLASH <loong pause>

 

It will never flash more than 9 times, watch for pauses!

55 is end of codes, 33 is normal if you don't have air conditioning.

 

When the computer indicates major failure, it will activate Limp In mode,

which guesses about data to compensate for sensor failure.

 

*** NOTE - NEWER VEHICLES ***

 

See http://www.ptcruizer.com/computer-codes.html for a new, revised list of

computer codes and instructions on how to get them. These codes appear to

have been phased in starting in around 1998.

 

***

 

Please note that some codes are NOT included below, this is not a complete

listing. (From Herb with additions by Charles Hobbs. Basis: Mopar Mailing

List info.)

 

* Activates Power Limited/Check Engine light.

 

11  No ignition reference signal detected during cranking (bad Hall

      effect)

    OR timing belt skipped one or more teeth;

    OR loss of either camshaft or crankshaft position sensor

12  Battery or computer recently disconnected

    - Fraser Shortt said code 12 appeared with some other codes

      in 1989 and possibly later computers as well.

13* MAP sensor or vacuum line may not be working

14* MAP sensor voltage below .16V or over 4.96V

 

NOTE - on early Neons, a computer error may light the Check Engine light and

show one or more of these codes. If this happens, bring it in so the dealer

can

reprogram the computer (about ten minutes).

 

15  No speed/distance sensor signal

16* Loss of battery voltage detected with engine running

17 (1985 turbo only): knock sensor circuit

17  Engine stays cool too long (bad thermostat or coolant sensor?)

 

21  Oxygen sensor signal doesn't change (stays at 4.3-4.5V)

     Probably bad oxygen sensor

22* Coolant sensor signal out of range

     - May have been disconnected to set timing

23*  Incoming air temperature sensor may be bad

24* Throttle position sensor over 4.96V (SEE NOTE #3)

25  Automatic Idle Speed (AIS) motor driver circuit shorted

    or target idle not reached, vacuum leak found

26  Peak injector circuit voltage has not been reached

     (need to check computer signals, voltage reg, injectors)

     (SEE NOTE #4 BELOW)

27  Injector circuit isn't switching when it's told to (TBI)

     OR (MPI) injector circuit #1 not switching right

     OR  (turbo) injector circuit #2 not switching right

     OR (all 1990-) injector output driver not responding

     - check computer, connections

 

31  Bad evaporator purge solenoid circuit or driver

32 (1984 only) power loss/limited lamp or circuit

32  EGR gases not working (1988) - check vacuum, valve

32 (1990-92, all but Turbo) computer didn't see change in

     air/'fuel ratio when EGR activated

     - check valve, vacuum lines, and EGR electrical

33  Air conditioning clutch relay circuit open or shorted

     (may be in the wide-open-throttle cutoff circuit)

34  (1984-86) EGR solenoid circuit shorted or open

34 (1987-1991) speed control shorted or open

35  Cooling fan relay circuit open or shorted

35 (trucks) idle switch motor fault - check connections

36  (turbo) Wastegate control circuit open or shorted

36 (3.9/5.2 RWD) solenoid coil circuit (air switching)

36 (Turbo IV) #3 Vent Solenoid open/short

37  Shift indicator light failure, 5-speed

                OR

    part throttle lock/unlock solenoid driver circuit (87-89)

                OR

     solenoid coil circuit (85-89 Turbo I-IV)

                OR

    Trans temparature sensor voltage low (1995 and on; see NOTE 2)

 

41* Alternator field control circuit open or shorted

42  Automatic shutdown relay circuit open or shorted

42 Fuel pump relay control circuit

42 Fuel level unit - no change over miles

                OR

42  Z1 voltage missing when autoshutdown circuit energized (SEE NOTE #6)

43  Peak primary coil current not achieved with max dwell time

                OR

43 Cylinder misfire

                 OR

43  Problem in power module to logic module interface

44  No FJ2 voltage present at logic board

                OR

44  Logic module self-diagnostics indicate problem

                OR

44  Battery temperature out of range (see Note #1!)

45  Turbo boost limit exceeded (engine was shut down by logic module)

46* Battery voltage too high during charging or charging system

    voltage too low

47  Battery voltage too low and alternator output too low

 

51  Oxygen sensor stuck at lean position (lean condition)

                OR

51  Internal logic module fault ('84 turbo only)

52  Oxygen sensor stuck at rich position  (SEE NOTE #5!)

                OR

52  Internal logic module fault ('84 turbo only)

53  Logic module internal problem

54  No sync pickup signal during engine rotation (turbo only)

                OR

54  Internal logic module fault ('84 turbo only)

55  End of codes

 

61  "Baro" sensor open or shorted

62  EMR mileage cannot be stored in EEPROM

62 PCM failure SRI mile not stored

63  Controller cannot write to EEPROM

64 Catalytic converter efficiency failure

65 Power steering switch failure

 

88  Start of test (not given on most computers)

 

 

NOTE #1.

 

The power module has an air-cooled resistor which senses incoming air

temperature.  The logic modules uses this information to control the field

current in the alternator.  This code applies ONLY to alternators whose

voltage is computer regulated.  If you lose the feed to keep RAM

information stored

when the engine's off, you also lose battery voltage sensing.  -- Bohdan Bodnar

 

NOTE #2

 

From the 1995 TRUCK manuals: the trailer towing package includes a

transmission coolant temp sensor while the standard package doesn't.

This may cause the low (no) voltage indication.   -- J.E. Winburn

 

NOTE #3

 

Matt Rowe comments:  The throttle

postion circuit tells the computer how far the accelerator is depressed.

The Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) is on the throttle body on

the opposite side of the throttle cable.  The connector should

have a round rubber cover over the connections.  Clear the fault

codes, start the car and try jiggling the wires/connectors to try

to trip a fault code.  Loss of this signal could cause other problems.

 

NOTE #4

 

During  cranking, the computer will test the current through the

injector to see whether there's too much resistance in the injector's

path.  If there is, code 26 is set.

       The problem may be cured with tuner cleaner on the connectors.

       For TBI engines, the injector's cold resistance should be between

0.9 and 1.2 ohms (specs vary with year).  This is a peak-and-hold

injector.  With the engine idling the

peak period should be about 1.2 milliseconds whereas the hold period

will vary.  If it's lower than this at idle, then the injector's shorted or

there's a defect in the injector driver circuit. (Bohdan Bodnar)

 

NOTE #5

 

Wade Goldman wrote: In my case, the breather tube leading into the

catalytic converter had rusted and become detached.  This some how would

cause the sensor to read an over rich condition and run crummy. I did not

trust the reliability of the weld over a  corroded surface and opted for

the more expensive route of replacing the converter, breather tube and all.

 

NOTE #6

 

The Z1 voltage is the voltage of the circuits fed by the autoshutdown

relay.  This typically includes fuel pump and switched-battery feed to the

ignition coil(s). In my Le Baron, the Z1 circuit leaves the power module

and splits into two paths:  the fuel pump and the positive side of the

ignition coil.  Internal to the power module is the auto shutdown relay (in

my case, it's a sealed box about 1" by 1").  The output voltage is

monitored to determine whether the relay responds correctly.  I suspect

that the ASD relay (and, therefore, the Z1 circuit) also feeds the fuel

injector(s) driver(s) and current sensing circuit, but can't prove this.

 

I've used the Z1 voltage to test for good power connections to the power

module. I connected my OTC 500 multimeter from the battery's positive post

to the ignition coil's switched battery terminal and measured the voltage

drop using the bar graph to monitor peak voltages.  Voltage spikes of

around 200 mV to 300 mV are ok -- anything more means tv tuner cleaner time

(or replacing the power module).  Another thing to check is the maximum

voltage drop during the priming pulse.  With the old power module, I was

losing about 2 volts across the circuit;  the replacement is losing about

1/4 volt.  (Thanks, Bohdan Bodnar)

 

**************** CLASSIC CAR TROUBLESHOOTING ****************

(1950s-some 80s)

 

FOR MORE, VISIT http://www.allpar.com/fix/vintage.html

 

Many of these were taken from the A-Bodies site at http://www.valiant.org/

 

C1. Won't start (<Dave>):

 

Check the ballast resistor. It's a little white block attached to the

metal between the engine and the driver, with a single bolt; wires plug

into each side. It's easy to replace and under $5.

 

If the starter makes a rapid clicking noise, your battery may be worn, even if

you can see your headlights.

 

If the engine was wet, dry it, separate the wires, and try again, Use

silicone spray or "wire drier" or, better yet, replace your wires with

really good ones ($25-40 mail order). These will probably improve your gas

mileage and power as well.

 

Dan Stern adds: Whitaker's Multi-Mag comes in the same colors and

insulation materials as original, but uses the spiral-wound

construction that you find in wires such as Accel and Jacobs. Lower

resistance, but no irritating radio noise. They have a lifetime guarantee

and don't cost more than regular carbon-string type wires. The

Slant-6 wire set (32605 for pre-75) has the correct 1-piece moulded

plug boots.  They are also sold under the Borg Warner/BWD KoolWire name.

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C2. Anything from pollution to loss of power (<Dave>)

 

This may be caused by leaking vacuum hoses or mechanics

disconnecting your vacuum hoses. If you like to breathe, and you want

your car to perform well, replace all of the vacuum hose -- it costs

maybe 10 cents per foot. Just get a few yards and do

it one day (warning: you may need different kinds or sizes. You may need to

take

bits of the old stuff into the shop). Make sure hoses are not kinked.

 

Vacuum leaks caused by leaking hoses that look okay to the naked eye may

result in the following diagnoses by mechanics:

* Need new carburetor

* Need new transmission

* Need new engine

* Need valve job

* Need new mechanic.

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C3. Stalling (<Dave>)

 

See the above section on vacuum hoses. Turning the cold or warm idle

screw on the carburetor is a quick fix that doesn't solve the real

problem. If the car stalls when cold, lubricate the choke well. If it

stalls when wet, try getting much better ignition wires (lifetime

warranty, good brand, about $30). Also try:

* Put window insulating tape (foam) over the top of the electronic

ignition module

* Spray the little wires with silicone spray or wire drier

* Check for vacuum leaks (see above).

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C4. Windshield wipers won't work ():

 

Put window insulating tape (foam) over the top of the wiper motor.

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C5. Water leaks into the car:

 

A problem on many A-bodies (Valiant/Dart group). May be solved by keeping

the cowl (that grille between the hood and windshield) free of leaves and

gunk, and by  straightening out and emptying out the air conditioner

condensation drain. The black tube that carries a/c water may be seen on

the firewall (the metal between the engine and the driver). It is small and

behind other stuff. Sometimes the end of this black tube freezes to itself

and must be opened with a knife or razor.

 

See http://www.allpar.com/a/water.html

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C6. runs rough cold, seems to improve with heat

 

George Young suggests:

1) Not enough voltage from old damp coil?  - new coil.

2) EGR valve plunger binding open?

   - remove and plug manifold vacuum hose to EGR circuit.

 

Dave adds: Better wires, high quality rotor/distributor cap for

best fit. Check the stove, that big metal thing on many engines that feeds

warm air from the engine to the air intake through a usually-rotten or missing

hose. The vacuum-operated flap may also not be functioning for one reason or

another, usually a bad vacuum hose. This is common. Dan Stern notes the flap is

controlled by the Thermostatic Air Cleaner vacuum motor...

 

George Young adds: My old 318 ran rough when cold and

wet, would stall out until warm.  Choke was the problem.  Manifold

carboned up and wouldn't pass heat to choke coil thermostat.  Changed to

manual choke and no more problem and increased gas mileage

 

Dan Stern noted that driveability problems could be caused by a bad choke

heater

control unit, which may short out and shunt full power to the electric choke,

causing it to heat up prematurely.

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C7. Lean-Burn (computer-controlled carbureted engine) rough idle

 

1). Are your coolant temperature sensor connection ok?  If not, the

computer will see a cold engine and will run rich.

2). Are the oxygen sensor connections ok?

3). Is the heated air inlet operating correctly?

...

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